(NAME-MCE) Wafa Sultan
Elaine Haglund
ehaglund at csulb.edu
Wed Nov 7 09:56:54 EST 2007
Thank you, Bill (and Susan)! I agree completely! The teaching/
learning process MUST, as much as possible, involve a variety of
viewpoints.
Last night I used the video clip in my upper division Social &
Cultural Diversity class. It generated one of the most robust and
beneficial discussions in the history of the 10+ years I've taught
the course. I am now searching for a video clip that might serve as
a suitable counterpart to show this next week. The class has
suddenly become even more alive than before!
Elaine Haglund
California State University
On Nov 6, 2007, at 2:12 PM, Bill Howe wrote:
>
>
> Well said Susan. This ListServ should be a safe place to learn and
> grow.
> Hopefully this past exchange will not further frighten away those
> who want
> to test ideas and theories. Can we not separate out those who are
> malicious
> versus those like Gina who have contributed greatly to this
> ListServ and
> just want to become more educated? People - we need to gain and
> cultivate
> allies. This should have been a teachable moment.
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 8:55 AM, McKevitt, Susan <SMcKevitt at ed.state.nh.us>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I do not often contribute to discussions on this list although I read
>> comments. I am making an exception this time and wish to comment
>> not on
>> the posting itself but rather on our list behavior.
>>
>> I found how the list discussion about the Wafa Sultan posting a bit
>> distressing and here is my thinking.
>>
>> I come from a place of not knowing everything. I come from a place
>> where
>> I wish a community of similarly thinking people can exchange ideas
>> without fear of being labeled in some way or other, or for
>> assumptions
>> to be made about what I think and how I think. The most recent
>> posting
>> on Wafa Sultan elicited some responses on this list that felt
>> personal
>> and hostile. The fact that contributors to the list may have more
>> information than the person who posted is exactly the point of the
>> list
>> as far as I'm concerned. We should be here to support and educate
>> each
>> other, not dump on each other. I can get that from anywhere else I
>> go. I
>> do not expect it from here. If I can not feel comfortable exposing my
>> inadequate knowledge with this group, then I suggest people take a
>> very
>> good look in the mirror. We are great at espousing how everyone else
>> should behave when having potentially contentious discussions and
>> bemoan
>> the fact that those conversations seem not able to happen, and
>> then of
>> course blame the participants for their failure. These last
>> exchanges
>> on the list feel like some of us do not hold ourselves to the same
>> standard we expect from others.
>>
>> Relative to the immediate string of postings, those who know (like
>> the
>> gentleman below) could have simply stated that Sultan has been on
>> many
>> times before and that women are well represented on Al Jazeera. That
>> would have been both educational and objective, leaving the person
>> who
>> posted (and the rest of us) better informed and personally whole.
>>
>> Please, let us be a bit more compassionate in our disagreements; more
>> understanding of the differing levels of knowledge of the members
>> of the
>> list and hopefully be assuming that we are all working towards the
>> same
>> goal.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sue
>> "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that
>> matter" Dr. Martin Luther King
>> Susan McKevitt
>> New Hampshire Department of Education
>> 21 South Fruit St. Suite 20
>> Concord, NH 03301
>> phone: 603-271-6613 fax: 603-271-4079
>> email: smckevitt at ed.state.nh.us
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: name-mce-bounces at nameorg.org [mailto:name-mce-
>> bounces at nameorg.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ayouby, Kenneth K
>> Sent: Monday, November 05, 2007 10:32 PM
>> To: NAME-MCE - National Association for Multicultural
>> EducationEmailDiscussion Group; name-mce at nameorg.org
>> Cc: luby at connecting-cultures.net
>> Subject: Re: (NAME-MCE) Wafa Sultan
>>
>>
>>
>> Ms. Boltz,
>>
>> I find your comments even more disturbing now. Aljazeera News Network
>> has at least half of its broadcasters to be women. Also, they are
>> based
>> in Doha, Qatar--not Dubai, which is in the UAE. Additionally,
>> women of
>> all political, religious and ethnic-national backgrounds are always
>> guests on some show or another on that channel. I think you have
>> succumbed to many of the prejudices and stereotypes that are
>> perpetrated
>> in our American culture vis a vis Arabs, Muslims and other associated
>> people.
>>
>> By the way, Ms. Sultan has been interviewed on Aljazeera more than
>> a few
>> times. Nonetheless, (as we all know), interviewing someone on TV does
>> not make that person's thoughts or ideas valid.
>>
>> Kenneth K. Ayouby
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: name-mce-bounces at nameorg.org on behalf of KispokoT at aol.com
>> Sent: Mon 11/5/2007 11:00 AM
>> To: name-mce at nameorg.org
>> Cc: luby at connecting-cultures.net
>> Subject: Re: (NAME-MCE) Wafa Sultan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings Ms. Shalal-Esa,
>>
>> My message did not not to endorse or reprove Ms.Sultan's
>> comments. My
>> message was posted simply to share the fact that Al-Jazerra
>> television
>> provided
>> ground-breaking air-time to a woman, then allowed her to say these
>> kinds of
>> things. From what I'm told from friends who visited and/or lived in
>> Dubai, this
>> is a huge step in recognizing women and allowing for open dialogue
>> debate.
>>
>> Please don't let my posting reflect on the credibility of this
>> listserve
>> or
>> the people on it.
>>
>> Gina Boltz
>> Director, Native Village Publications
>> Director, Youth Forum for The International Council of Thirteen
>> Indigenous
>> Grandmothers
>> _http://www.nativevillage.org_ <http://www.nativevillage.org_/>
>> (http://www.nativevillage.org <http://www.nativevillage.org/> )
>> Secretary/Treasurer, Link Center Foundation
>> _www.linkcenterfoundation.org_ (http://www.linkcenterfoundation.org
>> <http://www.linkcenterfoundation.org/> )
>>
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/5/2007 6:47:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> ashalalesa at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Fellow Listserve members,
>>
>> I am shocked that a member of this listserve, which I have always
>> cherished
>> and recommended to others, would encourage the dissemination of the
>> diatribe
>> being spewed out by this woman, Wafa al-Sultan. What she is doing
>> and
>> saying
>> in no way contributes to any understanding or tolerance of fellow
>> human
>> beings. Her statements are clearly anti-Muslim propaganda and
>> they are
>> deeply
>> offensive to those of use who are working for peace and justice
>> in the
>> world.
>> Many of this woman's statements are also just plain wrong,
>> misinformed
>> and
>> designed to further deepen the artificial chasm being created
>> between
>> Christians,
>> Jews and Muslims by right wing media to help fan the flames of war.
>>
>> Please, please, consider starting a dialogue with Muslims in your
>> community
>> to get the real truth. You can find many good resources on the
>> website
>> www.dialoguesforpeace.org, including the opportunity to receive a PBS
>> documentary
>> for free to help facilitate a real dialogue about these issues.
>>
>> Andrea Shalal-Esa
>> Journalist
>> Westminster, MD
>>
>>
>>
>>> From: KispokoT at aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:46:42 -0400> To:
>> name-mce at nameorg.org> Subject: (NAME-MCE) Wafa Sultan> > > >
>> Greetings,> > A good
>> friend sent this link (and note) to me. I thought NAME members
>> might >
>> be
>> interested in seeing it.> > Gina Boltz > Director, Native Village
>> Publications >
>> Director, Youth Forum for The International Council of Thirteen
>> Indigenous >
>> Grandmothers > _http://www.nativevillage.org_
>> <http://www.nativevillage.org_/> (http://www.nativevillage.org
>> <http://www.nativevillage.org/> ) >
>> Secretary/Treasurer, Link Center Foundation >
>> _www.linkcenterfoundation.org_
>> (http://www.linkcenterfoundation.org
>> <http://www.linkcenterfoundation.org/> ) > > > > WATCH THIS
>> BEFORE IT'S
>> TAKEN
>> OFF THE WEB > It is extremely surprising that the Arab financed
>> TV in
>> Dubai
>> would allow > this to air. > This is one impressive, empowered
>> Arabic
>> human
>> being , who happens to be > female ! Here is a powerful and amazing
>> statement on
>> Al Jazeera television. > The woman is Wafa Sultan, an Arab-American
>> psychologist from Los Angeles. I > would suggest watching it ASAP
>> because I don't
>> know how long the link will be > active. > This film clip should be
>> shown around
>> the world repeatedly! >
>> _http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul_ >
>> (http://switch3.castup.net/cunet/gm.asp?ai=214&ar=1050wmv&ak=nul)
>> > > >
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