(Name-mce) ListServ City Vents Anger at Illegal Immigrants

Tue Jul 25 15:40:16 EDT 2006

Isabel. . .I am not speaking to what any person is entitled to UNDER the law. I 
realize that anyone in this country -- any human being, if you will -- is entitled
to equal protection under the law. However, blatant disregard for the laws of a 
country -- and entering the country illegally with the knowledge that it is illegal
to do so -- does not give you the right or PRIVILEGE of being considered anything
BUT an "illegal." PEOPLE HAVE A CHOICE. Yes, they do. They may have to
choose to live outside the law to attempt to gain a greater good, but people have
a choice. The minute tentacles of "what if" or "because this is so"
do not negate the facts of what situation people are in.

I am not referring to an entire culture -- Hispanic or other -- as "illegals."
I am referring to those individuals from WHATEVER COUNTRY come into America without
benefit of following the prescribed rules and regulation.

If I went to another country illegally -- without benefit of passport or visa --
then I, IN THAT COUNTRY, would be al illegal alien. However, not all people related
to me -- by blood or culture -- would be "illegals."

Anne

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Vazquez, Isabel" <isabel.vazquez at lausd.net>
>Sent: Jul 25, 2006 3:14 PM
>To: Anne Patricia Dobson <apdobson at ix.netcom.com>, NAME-MCE - National Association for Multicultural Education EmailDiscussion Group <Name-mce at nameorg.org>
>Subject: RE: (Name-mce) ListServ City Vents Anger at Illegal Immigrants
>
>In addition to defining the basis of US Citizenship and the rights of US
>citizens, the 14th Amendment extends rights to all human beings who find
>themselves in this country as follows "...nor shall any State deprive
>any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;
>nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of
>the laws." Only an immigration judge can find an individual in violation
>of US immigration law after a hearing in which all facts are presented.
>Only the affected individual has the authority to waive that right by
>consenting to voluntary deportation without a hearing. Without one of
>these two occurring there is no legal basis to assign guilt (presumption
>of innocence until proven guilty principle) and define a person as an
>"illegal alien." More importantly and regardless of intent, defining an
>individual or entire populations as "illegals" is dehumanizing -- a
>person may commit an illegal act but the person is not illegal.
>Isabel
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Name-mce-bounces at nameorg.org [mailto:Name-mce-bounces at nameorg.org]
>On Behalf Of Anne Patricia Dobson
>Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2006 7:52 AM
>To: NAME-MCE - National Association for Multicultural Education
>EmailDiscussion Group
>Subject: Re: (Name-mce) ListServ City Vents Anger at Illegal Immigrants
>
>
>
>
>I may be putting my foot in the "Devil's Advocate" waters, but are those
>
>that disagree with the CONCEPT of illegal aliens disagreeing with the
>idea 
>of immigrants or disagreeing with the idea that they are ILLEGAL. Yes, 
>America is a country of immigrants. Even the first people apparently 
>immigrated over the land bridge that connected us to Europe. However,
>since 
>we have become a nation and established LAWS we have a LEGAL WAY of
>doing 
>something. Not only coming into this country but in behaviors when we
>are 
>here.
>
>My mother is a first generation American.
>
>My grandparents came to this country through Ellis Island.
>
>They went to school and became citizens.
>
>Though they spoke their native language, and though my mother's first 
>language was NOT American English, the whole family LEARNED American 
>English. This, they saw, was to their own and their children's benefits.
>
>They did not give up their culture, or their identity, or whatever else
>you 
>think you may give up by learning another language.
>
>As to the crochet that illegal aliens are doing work that Americans will
>not 
>do. . .I find that argument extremely offensive. Does that mean we
>should 
>not have done away with slavery because there were, after all, jobs that
>
>Blacks would do that Whites would not? Does that meant that we should,
>by 
>not objecting to illegal immigrants, agree with the fact that it is OK
>to 
>put people to work doing sub-human (if "we" won't do it then it must be 
>sub-human because, after all, we are only human beings) work because
>they 
>are illegals? That by KEEPING THEM ILLEGALS we have, in effect, given
>them 
>the privilege of being slaves we do not own but only control?
>
>I really believe that we need to see this as an issue of ILLEGALITY and
>not 
>an issue of anti-immigration.
>
>Why is it so much better to keep a group of people ILLEGAL than to work
>to 
>change immigration laws or make them "legal" in two countries so they
>can go 
>back and forth to see their families?
>
>I know, too, that there is a problem with NOT requiring people to speak
>the 
>language of the country that they immigrate to: it helps to keep them 
>illiterate in two languages and in two worlds. Again, much better to
>CONTROL 
>a group of people that way.
>
>As for the last sentence in the article, I believe that the reporter got
>it 
>wrong. It is not anti-Hispanic at all. She is misinterpreting the
>direction 
>that all such argument should go. IT IS ANTI ILLEGALITY.
>
>ANNE PATRICIA DOBSON
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Bertha Mo <mob at potsdam.edu>
>>Sent: Jul 24, 2006 8:27 AM
>>To: NAME-MCE - National Association for Multicultural Education Email
>>	Discussion Group <Name-mce at nameorg.org>
>>Cc: name-mce at nameorg.org
>>Subject: Re: (Name-mce) ListServ City Vents Anger at Illegal Immigrants
>>
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>>
>>The majority of people in the US are immigrants.  Due to restrictive
>>immigrant laws, many of our ancestors came here illegally. And many of
>our
>>ancestors were forced to flee to America because our way of life was
>>deemed illegal.
>>
>>The Bible says, "He/She who is blameless shall cast the first stone..."
>>for students who are on the right.  I am sure we can find sayings for
>>those who are objecting from the left...
>>
>>Best,
>>
>>Bertie Mo, Ph.D., MPH
>>>
>>>
>>> I teach Communication in a midwestern university and I see these
>>> attitudes from students.....what can we do to change this?  I've
>hosted
>>> class discussions and we focus on stereotyping and discrimination.
>>> There must be more we can do!
>>>
>>>>>> khyati at fdu.edu 07/22/06 1:33 PM >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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